Tuesday, 6 November 2012

Should gay men be allowed to have children?

In America, every state follows its own laws and regulations. It applies to all aspects of law, including gay marriage and adoption. It means that every case is treated individually and the judge has the last word. As provided by Wikipedia there are 16 states that allow joint gay adoptions (when both individuals become adopting parents):

  • Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, D.C., Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington.
The United States Census Bureau reported that in year 2000 "about 65,000 children lived with same sex parents." According to the statistics, from 2012 the numbers have doubled. Unfortunately, the ratio of lesbians’ mothers to gay fathers is unknown.
*Chart taken from the Florida Partnership Law Blog/ data from U.S. Census Bureau

However, I would assume that lesbian parents are more likely to have children because of their heterosexual past relationships as well as fulfilling the nature call (using a sperm donor). Gay dads are still quite rare and I would guess would stay this way, but thanks to shows like Modern Family or celebrities like Elton John we hear more about them.
*Picture taken from U.S People Magazine
Furthermore, actor Neil Patrick Harris (How I Met Your Mother) and his partner David Burtka (Celebrity Chef) went even further when they used their own sperm, surrogate and egg donors to have twins.


* Picture taken from Perez.Hilton.com
Either if the process is done through adoption or surrogate, the babies are going to be raised by two dads. One could argue that this is unheard of and even unethical because the child needs to have two heterosexual parents to function and live a normal life. Is this a case? The recent study published in the Journal of Developmental and Behavioural Paediatrics stated that "no behaviour differences were observed when studying teenagers raised in gay and heterosexual homes". It looks like the child does not see it as a problem or an obstacle to having a happy life. Moreover, the child grows up having two loving people around him/ her instead of living the unprivileged life in an orphanage.

Adoption even for the heterosexual couple is a very difficult and painful process. For gay couples 
it is almost impossible. There are only 14 countries in the world that allow full joint adoption by same-sex couples and they have been granted this privilege  only recently.

Questions:

  1. Do you think gay couples should be allowed to adopt children?
  2. Do you think children raised in gay families have the predisposition to be gay themselves?
  3. Should the Polish government interfere with the Catholic Church and allow gay marriages in Poland?
Sources:
http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/press-releases/teens-of-lesbian-parents-are-just-as-happy-as-teens-raised-by-different-sex-couples/


14 comments:

  1. The first question should be shortened by three last words because it is
    too abstract for me in the original form. I think, we should let others do everything
    they want as long as it stays at their homes and does not consider innocent children.

    I think that children raised in gay families should get huge compensation for the humiliation
    they got during childhood and their gay parent should be sent to Siberia

    Polish governmet should only interfere with Catholic Church in case of forcing them to pay Value Added Tax.
    Allowing gay marriages is an absurd and should not be even considered. In the future someone will fall in love
    with his cat(or other pet) and will foce us to accept that kind of marriage.

    In my opinion we should stop this gay uprise as soon as possible.

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  2. It will be interesting week with controversial topics :)

    I think gay couples should be allowed to adopt children. In my opinion even single person should be able to adopt. Not gender or orientation is important, but personality of parent. If there would be loveless hetero against realy responsible and full of parent love homosexual, I would not have doubt to who I should give a baby.

    I think orientation is no matter of predisposition or culture. It is inside of every person. For sure child, which was in "gay familly" will have less painfull "growing up" if He/She is homosexual too.

    Polish government will do what gives them votes, not what is right or logical ;) If it should? I think yes. I'm Catholic and I don't see the problem here.

    By the way it allways make my laught http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/dad-dad-im-straight.jpg

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  3. The subject is very heavy and delicate at the same time.

    I think we all have a right to be happy. It seems to me that it is essential to consider whether the child would be lucky to have two moms or two fathers .... You also need to think about topics related to what is better adoption and maybe natural ways for women.

    I believe that the key to the decision is to assess personality "parents", the reasons why they want to do and whether they are able to create a normal home for a child. Keep in mind that the child is not a toy that can be discarded when they get tired. Once you decide to take the "parents" must try to do everything so that no one was hurt in this new model of "family." First of the child must be happy no matter what the family model is brought up.

    It seems to me that someone should carry out psychological tests such persons and verify that angle and actually create a "family" and that in the future, their views will have no impact on the psyche of the child.

    This is a very delicate subject. We all have a right to be happy, but at first we have to take into account children's happiness.

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  4. Topics such as are highly provocative for me. I am a person who can not tolerate homosexual affairs and especially when I hear about relationships that they want to have children. "Child needs to have two heterosexual parents to function and live a normal life." is neither a slogan nor homosexual propaganda against the truth which is in my opinion over the cultural and religious over. Since the world is after all more heterosexual union is why we impose ourselves mentally children owe anything to the fact that someone will show their finger saying see he has two dads. Since it is prohibited to beat and humiliate children, the state takes care of the welfare of the child receiving it when you have a parent social problems. In my opinion, children should be brought up in the same way all of them. I'm talking about the wealth of their parents and the parents themselves socially. Children should not be at the start of a unique feel in a negative sense. Children should have the right to grow up in a home that gives them a sense of normalcy and shelter. Who is the father of the house gay and who is a mother, after all these roles may not be interchangeable? Who will be the role model for his son to be a man and how to deal with women? Just who will be a role model for her daughter whose mother will show how to handle and teach good manners.
    I know I speak intolerance by me but I think that if at the beginning of a child's life we can save them suffering is not let them do it.

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  5. Quite a controversial topic because on that specific part of the population are homosexuals. Especially since homosexuality is not an acceptable phenomenon in Poland.
    Sexual orientation is one of the many features not home and not decisive about what a man who is. I believe that sexual orientation should not be any criterion. Adoption process is very long takes into account a lot of factors, both emotional and financial environment before a decision is made. Man beats child, not because he is gay just because he is weak. Does not rule out people just because they have the wrong idea about morality. Statements of persons claiming to be tolerant (I'm not homophobic, but ...) best illustrate the hypocrisy of our society. How to make a change if instead of changing human consciousness sweep everything under the rug and do not want to see anything beyond the colorful parades. Homosexuals are not only playing with the crazy parades are a lot of people next to us with the same problems and joys.
    If homosexuality is indeed a choice nature that man is born with it, it does not matter whether the child is being raised in a gay family or not.

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  6. I am aware of the fact that most people in this extremely Christian country would not agree with me but in my opinion it goes without saying that gay people should be allowed to have children. What is more the process of adopting children should be much easier and more successful for them. Why is it so important? I think that children who stay in orphanages are likely to end up tragically. They are being raised up in those children’s houses full of violence, bullying and they just grow up surrounded by bad people which leads to crime in our society. What is special about gay couples is that when it comes to adoption they become most excited and determined to help children and themselves, as being parents is their very biggest dream. They seem much more responsible and right people to become parents than certain normal couples i.e. formed of a woman and a man. Hence, I think that gay couples should be even encouraged to apply and should be given a chance to show how they care of children. Obviously, it is not likely to happen in the near future because people are not used to the fact that a child has two fathers or two mothers but I hope it will change someaday. However, I am very happy with the fact that "no behavior differences were observed when studying teenagers raised in gay and heterosexual homes" as it was mentioned in the presentation because people provided with some statistics like those might become more tolerant and start to think about it more critically i.e. by taking every aspect into consideration, not only that it seems inappropriate to raise children in gay families. There is one more argument for allowing these processes to happen- gay couples are statistically wealthier than normal couples which enables them to provide their charges with sufficient food, education, standard of living etc. That is also very important nowadays, as we can observe too much poverty when it comes to schooling which is indispensable to maintain high standard of living of our population. Concluding, gay people should be treated equally to heterosexuals, since there are more pros than cons of adopting children by them, however, unfortunately it needs a lot of time to introduce such kind of law, especially in religious countries which are closed to new ideas, even though they might emerge beneficial for us and our descendants.

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  7. In the current week, you can see quite controversial topics presented. As is well known in Poland are prohibited homosexual relationships. Personally, I think that each of us has the right to love and adore who wants the people to feel something, and if it is a man - man or woman - a woman should not look at it that these are the people that can not be accepted. I believe that such couples can live a normal life in the world, but should be able to prohibit the adoption of children, because only hurt children, a child growing up he learns that he has two fathers or two mothers, then it's a shock to him and will not have any family. In today's world we can see that Lesbians and gay men do not hide in the street or in the clubs, but unfortunately for me too impressive show the sensitivity, not everyone likes to see walking down the street two men kissing or two women kissing. Of course, can you not agree with me but I do not support such compounds.

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  8. I think if two people form a lasting relationship homosexual and one of the partners already has a child is raising the child by a parent and his partner is a natural twist of fate. There is hardly proof that a pair of same-sex parenting a child less than a pair of straight. They will only have to take some tough talks baby structure of their "family."
    If two people form a lasting relationship gay and not having children decide to have a child by him begotten by one of the partners with a third party (in the case of the female pair is simpler) to such conduct is not fair to the unborn child. We do not know the will of the unborn child, but because the nature of work so that the children are formed from straight relationships can be presumed that the expected life of the unborn child in the family straight (in case of disaster can come to the world when the mother is a widow or single woman). Based on the natural law the decision to have a child by a homosexual couple is a selfish decision takes into account their emotional needs, and ignores the natural right of the child.
    Similarly to the adoption. State taking into account the child's right, he can’t accept the adoption, or the role of a foster family for homosexual couples.

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  9. Actually i've never done research on this topic, but i don't like the whole idea. I guess 90% or more people in the world were raised by heterosexual family, and we all don't think homosexual relationships are normal,
    so the result of the scientist's research are shocking for me.
    They studied behaviour of kids which were raised in homo' familly,
    and the results were positive? That's a lie, we have to remember,
    that they gay people in familly, will be not only 2 fathers, or 2 mothers but also ucnles, unts, grandpas and grandmas. This is totally twisted. I can't agree, that this is normal and does not impact on a kid. For personally it would be very sad if i had 2 uncles, or 2 grandpas. Also when i write this, i have a very, very mixed feelings. I can't imagine life without mother's caring. It is just different than father's caring. It's like saying that from tommorow, the electricity will only use two pluses, the minus is not required anymore. Also the scientific facts are that every human is born heterosexual,
    but later by the interaction with society, human turn to homosexuality, but this is still abnormal. The best way of solving
    this problem is not solving it,
    we should let these gay people live in hiding and still not let them raise a kids. This is the best solution. I would compare
    homosexuality to masochism. This is the same kind of wryness in personality. My answers to your questions: NO,YES,NO.
    By the way, the World ends in 2012/12/21 so who cares about gay people :):):)

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  10. Another tough and controversial topic :)

    The first thing is that Polish government is creating barriers for people, i.e. if you're not married your partner cannot decide about you in hospital, can't get even any information about your health condition.

    I'm not talking only about gay partners, it's the same situation if you're with opposite sex person, it doesn't matter.

    About having children by gay men - it doesn't matter if we think they should or shouldn't.

    What matters it fact that that child is going to experience a huge amount of hate from other kids, their parents, etc.

    It's sad to say that things would happen in our country but it's fact, so we shouldn't think what's the best for gay people and start thinking what's best for these kids.

    In all their school life, they would carry the mark: gays' child. It's really hard to handle by little child.

    About being gay if we raise in gay family. I think it's working like this: some percent of children who raise in hetero family is gay and the rest is not. The same would be in gay family: some percent of them would be hetero and the rest would be gay.

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  11. Should gay people be allowed to adopt children? Sure, as long as they are tested to proof they are suitable to raise children - it refers to every individual wanting to adopt, sex orientation is just not the criterion for me. Love for child is what is important, not the homo/hetero stuff.
    I have a friend who's raised by two moms - cool guy, perfectly normal, straight as hell, you couldn't tell he has not so typical family. I'm a homosexual myself and I am a normal person. I think I would be a good parent some day.
    Do children raised by homosexuals have predisposition to be gay themselves? Nope. Just look on results of multitude of research.
    Interfering with the Catholic Church and allowing gay adoption? Heck, yes. Please, Rzeczpospolita, be a democratic country, not a "catholatic" one.

    Last thing: Zdunek, your comment: "I think that children raised in gay families should get huge compensation for the humiliation they got during childhood and their gay parent should be sent to Siberia" is offending. Think who was sent to Siberia by who and for what reason. Do not spread hate, it is wrong. Also, comparing love of two sane people to zoophilia is just a proof that your thinking is very cliche.

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  12. Firstly we should think about gay couples, it's allowed only in about 20 countries. So it's not so popular as we think, but it's important to talk about them. In my oppinion gay couples should have opportunity to adopt children, because we have many children in orphanages. I think children are more happy when they have two mothers or fathers than when they live in orphanage.

    Child who raised in homosexual have bigger predisposition to be homosexual, but I don't think that 90% from them will be gay in the future.

    I think that the Polish government should interfere with the Catholic Church and allow gay marriages in Poland in future, because the goverment is major organisation in Poland not Curia of Catholic Church, because in Poland is allowed to believe in other religion than Catholicism.

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  13. In my opinion gay people should be able to adopt children. The only problem is prejudiced society. I fear that in most cases children raised by gay people will be abused by other kids in school. They may even experience the same from adults in later life. Also it is worth to note the hipocrisy: children beaten by drunk father - no controversy. Children rised by gay father - riot begins :) For this state I personaly blame religion. As long as they treat homosexuality as something wrong - there always will be a problem.

    Do children raised in gay family have the predisposition to be gay themselves? I think everyone have predisposition to be gay as well as to be homosexual. The question is - are they more likely to be gay. I supose yes and I see nothing wrong there.

    As for third question I would go even further - Polish goverment should get rid of Catholic church in any way possible. I find it unnacceptable that people that were not elected, that represent medieval point of view have so much to say in my country. Not to mention that they have big gay "problem" themselfs.

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  14. I have nothing against gay couples wanted to have babies.
    There are a lot of orphans or abandoned children in the world because sometimes biological parents do not want them. I think it is better when they grow up in loving families, irrelevant the parents are hetero or homosexual.
    My grandmum was working in an orphanage, so she often told me a lot about her work. She loved her job and she never complained about how hard it was to look at this poor children looking for love and concern. She always did her best, but it was impossible to make each child feel loved. She also had two biological daughters. (my mum and my aunty:) ) My mum often says with loughter that she grown up in orphanage, and her lougter is real when she says so. Besides, two years ago my younger sistres was on a voluntary in Cambodia and Thailand, working in orphanage. She said it was a really sad experience, houndres of kids without parents, living in horrible conditions. We all know about this common problem, but only some of us experienced it hard way.

    I think that it is the reason gay couples should have babies. They can make them real home, take care of them and make them feel loved.

    It is possible that children raised in homosexual families can be a gays. Why then people from heterosexual families are gays?

    It seems to me that gay marriages should be allowed. If people love each other and want to legalize their realtionship they should have the possibility.

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