@hubert yeah I saw that later. On the front page it says it has been posted by our tutor, however I have't found a way to edit my comment. I still think students in an English class, where the goal is to learn English, shouldn't get badly written articles.
As for my "first of all", I hate the topic of immigrants, muslims, syrians, so on. The truth is, it's no use trying to follow the news about them as the media are showing us only the one correct way we should look at the problem. Yeah, we can find some immigrants-are-good videos online, but still, they're most often focused on one-sided analysis, either the "kill'em" or "accept them" side.
But still there is this little almost missed problem about all the recent world event and how the Europe is responding. When we look at Russia-Ukraine situation, the Europe-Immigrants situation and recently Russia-Syria situation, we can see that the most visible response the European Union is showing is how it is weak and divided into smaller groups. As it was created for unification, it's not unified at all right now and the rest of world can see that.
It's frightening to see that there is less and less that people of Europe have in common, cause as with the huge immigrations, the religions, culture and all other kinds of small local connectors are slowly fading and in some years it will be difficult to create any reasonable picture of who european people really are. And there are countries waiting for all kinds of weaknesses which shouldn't be new - especially for us with our kind of history.
"War, war never changes" and the degrading global situation connected with europe just ignoring the real threat of losing control of its internal situation are slowly leading us in the direction of the WW III.
I think the immigration itself isn't a real threat, cause it will happen anyway. So many people being passive and countries not trying to gather the immigrants at least at the early stage, which makes it impossible to check if they're not dangerous, they're not sick etc is the real problem for us and that is what the world should focus on now. The long forgotten diseases are counter-attacking, there is an increase and crime and stuff. People are different and just accepting everyone that tells us "I'm gonna be your neighbour" is just plain stupid, especially when their culture is stronger and more organised than our one right now.
Generally, I'm not against people who escape from their houses because they cannot stay in country any more. But recently I've watched a video (it fits well to the second subject "Muslims in Europe") https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP0XTvuRycY
My conclusion was simple. I don't want in my country people who're unable to assimilate. People so different from us. Maybe I could bear it if they were women and children. But if they trying to tell us how to live? How can we accept them?
On the other hand - government is selected by us, and it supposed to represent our needs. Is that right? So why are they blind on what people wants.
If I getting it wrong then I'm open for pointing out my mistakes in logic.
I agree with your conclusion Daniel and I want to expand it. In spite of all it's not important if I am for or against refugees, because it is happening now. And I can do nothing about it. They are coming and they will be.
Who is coming to the Europe? Mostly they are economical refugees. There are also special ISIS envoys. Is there is a prove that in that crowd there are ISIS soldiers? Yes, ISIS itself proudly say that among the immigrants it send their envoys and soldiers. In refugees centers in Germany and Austria they are being capture from time to time while spreading ISIS propaganda.
ISIS publicate recently a map on which it is shown how far it want to expand. Funny fact is that the borders of ISIS expansion ends on the former borders of Poland. Maybe it has something in common with anniversary of Battle of Vienna. Maybe they are scared of us. I don’t know. ISIS announce the plan of conquest of Europe, announce the plan of displaying their flag on the top of the Cathedral of St. Peter in Rome. ISIS objectives are known, they are not hiding with it.
As Daniel said it’s the world that doesn’t assimilate. Muslim world is divided on two parts: Dar al-Harb – world of war/home of war (where there is less Muslim than infidels) and Dar al-Islam – world of Islam (where Muslims are in majority). Infidels, for example “People of the Book” – Jews and Christians, can live under the reign of Muslim provided that they will pay tax (Dżizyah) and meet the requirements written down in Omar Law.
Do they are not offended by Christian crosses, figures of Holy Mary in churches? Yes, they are. But they can do nothing when they are in minority. When they are in majority thing like that starts. Bells should not ring, cross should not hang. Teacher in Sweden do not display Sweden flag because it offends the Muslim religious feelings. The Muslims asked the Swiss government to abolish the logo of the Swiss airline, because they have cross in the logo. In that or in the previous year in Germany Christmas fair change their name to Winter Fair because it offends the religious feelings. Near one of the German secondary school refugees center was open. People from that center wrote a letter to all parents whose female children was in that school to not let girls wear shorts because offends the religious feelings. Paranoia…
Is junker's plan the best solution for the EU? It gives just numbers. But we shall find the way in which a person, in this case immigrant, is not treated as a number! If they really setek for asylium, they should receive it, however, immigrants should respect the law, habbits and customs of the citizens in whose counrty they live in. Under no circumstances, they should be located in the seperated or remote places because it will not be helpfull for their assimilation process. As much as possible they should receive flats or houses in the city centres. But coming back to the question about the numbers, the EU should analyse which countries or regions are the most 'outgoing' for immigrants. And then assign the people to each of these places but without ANY NUMBERS. It should be the decision of each country.
I have very similar feelings to those imigrants as to muslims, which I already explained in other thread. I feel like we're slowly activating a ticking bomb that will explode in the least expected moment. Those people do not want to learn language, culture, assimilate or work hardly. We're basically organizing a big charity event for people, who are not even grateful for that. Most of these Immigrants do not even want to stay in Poland, rather run away to Germany, because they're given more money for doing nothing there.
Pathethic situation. I feel it won't end well, at least I'm happy that they focus on Germany or other France, because those will be first countries when that ticking bomb explodes, and it may open eyes for other politicians to freaking do something before it's too late.
In my opinion talking about Muslim immigration to Europe only in the context of Syria is wrong. Of course, according to official statistics the majority of immigrants come from war-torn Syria. However, many of them have false documents. "ISIS fighters and economic migrants are able to buy Syrian identity documents that allow them to hide among refugees travelling to Europe..." (more information about it you can read here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3235320/PASSPORT-TERROR-MailOnline-reporter-buys-Syrian-papers-sold-ISIS-fighters-sneaking-Europe-hidden-refugees.html ).
What I think about the Juncker's plan? I think that the European Union shouldn't decide on the distribution of Muslim immigrants. We shouldn't hold these people in concentration camps in Poland or other countries in which they don't want to stay.
Topic to the wide scale, but you have to talk about it openly, because unfortunately the Union and the Member States do not all agree matters immigrants. Some will be happy to welcome them, provide them with flat, will be it maintained, will receive a social package, others do not want them at all accept. Europe does not have one opinion on this topic. I think that the first person you should help people who need help that inhabit it, and only then take on each other to help immigrants. Not everyone can earn a fortune, immigrant on a good day to get from your enough money to support yourself without any effort!
Only 10-15 percent of immigrants are from Syria. Most of them threw their id cards away, otherwise they would not become refugee status.
The other thing is that they come on boats from countries, that are not at war. The only reason is money, because countries like Turkey don’t give social assistance. They would have to search for a job and work hard.
Our politicians said that all immigrants that will be “imported” to Poland will be checked (with help from MOSAD) if they are not terrorists, but how can they be so sure? MOSAD a few days ago, before declaring this help said that they are unable to check all these people for 100 percent.
In Hungary two people were found among the refugees, that had connections with ISIS. Source: http://www.polishexpress.co.uk/znaleziono-terrorystow-wsrod-uchodzcow-na-wegrzech/
Well, this is what I was talking about in the other thread: immigrants from Syria are escaping from their country because war and so on. Yes, I understand that, but why there are only males there ? Where are the children and women ? They don't matter ? They should be taken care of because there is a war going on in the country ! So immigrants are something like invading other countries without using weapons ?
The very bad thing going on is how divided European Union is, EU is forcing penalties to those countries that don't want to take immigrants. That is just pathetic and it sounds very bad. We are showing weaknesses. The purpose of the union is to unify some entities etc. now, we are showing to the rest of the world how bad we are organised.
Personally, I am against immigrants, so I think that Junker's plan is just bad, it's just an idea of how to distribute immigrants among EU, this is basically sweeping the problem under the carpet but it will fail because there will be more and more immigrants. However I think that even if EU will force countries to accept immigrants, they will still make their way to Germany like they did already.
I like how varied this week's presentations are. The only thing we're still missing is a conspiracy theory telling us what is covered up by this 'crisis'.
I think , that immigrants issue aroues many controversy . Unfortunelly , most of them abuse existingtragedy to get to wealthier countries and live on our social . That problem could be fixed , if goverment could better selecting immigrants for this , who really need help and others . The worst thing,is that people , who arrive to our contry , are not enough educated and don't have motivation to work so they only breake down our economy.
I think that imigrants don't want to assimilate with us, with Europe. They want new lands to live, but on their own rules without respect local principles. And some of them could be controversial for us.
And this bring a new question to my mind - should we step back and let them to do this? Everyone in Europe try to be politically correct and don't want to even think that in some point in time this could bring very huge danger for us, for our culture.
Iimmigration will bring us a lot more trouble than it seems.
The topic of Muslim refugees and immigrants in Europe nowadays is really tough, on the one hand there are Syrian citizens trying to escape from the country which is currently in war, on the other side many people are afraid of economical immigrants. Considering refugees I fully agree to help them, and give them simply opportunity to survive, whereas massive groups of Muslims who purposely tries to get explicitly to Germany or GB, not thinking about any other countries makes me wonder what their intents are. We don’t hear much about any groups of Muslims coming to Poland, but if they come and will try to establish their rules, there are people like nationalists who I guess will help them leave our country really fast (what I do not support, but it is most likely how it would end).
Syrian immigrants is another hard topic for Europe and Poland. Personally I'm already fed up with all this discusions on TV or internet. There are many different opinions but mostly people especially in Poland disagrees with government decision. In my opinion ofcourse they need help and we should do what we can to make it easier for them but the one thing thats concerning me is what will hapen if they finally accomodate in Poland. Will they accept our rules and law and the whole confusion will die down or will there be more controversial situations. We shall see.
Is this an exercise where one has to find a mistake in every sentence or are you just giving us reeeaally badly written articles?
ReplyDeleteAnyhow, I didn't manage to find one in every sentence, but I think I got most of them :)
*immigration to Europe
*relevant to
*it will probably be higher
*it increased to
*We should not only be focused
*because what's more important
*Most of the immigrants are young Muslim men (around 80-90%), who may cause
*most difficult problems for the EU
*I would recommend watching Mariusz Max Kolonko’s movie (seriosuly? "movie"?)
@Aleksander Zielinski
ReplyDeleteThis article was written by Cezary Góralski and maybe this could be the reason. Most of us are not english native speakers and mistakes can happen.
P.S. Could somebody explain me how to post an answer to a comment (that will be displayed in the bottom of the OP message)?
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ReplyDelete@hubert yeah I saw that later. On the front page it says it has been posted by our tutor, however I have't found a way to edit my comment. I still think students in an English class, where the goal is to learn English, shouldn't get badly written articles.
ReplyDeleteAs for my "first of all", I hate the topic of immigrants, muslims, syrians, so on. The truth is, it's no use trying to follow the news about them as the media are showing us only the one correct way we should look at the problem. Yeah, we can find some immigrants-are-good videos online, but still, they're most often focused on one-sided analysis, either the "kill'em" or "accept them" side.
ReplyDeleteBut still there is this little almost missed problem about all the recent world event and how the Europe is responding. When we look at Russia-Ukraine situation, the Europe-Immigrants situation and recently Russia-Syria situation, we can see that the most visible response the European Union is showing is how it is weak and divided into smaller groups. As it was created for unification, it's not unified at all right now and the rest of world can see that.
It's frightening to see that there is less and less that people of Europe have in common, cause as with the huge immigrations, the religions, culture and all other kinds of small local connectors are slowly fading and in some years it will be difficult to create any reasonable picture of who european people really are. And there are countries waiting for all kinds of weaknesses which shouldn't be new - especially for us with our kind of history.
"War, war never changes" and the degrading global situation connected with europe just ignoring the real threat of losing control of its internal situation are slowly leading us in the direction of the WW III.
I think the immigration itself isn't a real threat, cause it will happen anyway. So many people being passive and countries not trying to gather the immigrants at least at the early stage, which makes it impossible to check if they're not dangerous, they're not sick etc is the real problem for us and that is what the world should focus on now. The long forgotten diseases are counter-attacking, there is an increase and crime and stuff. People are different and just accepting everyone that tells us "I'm gonna be your neighbour" is just plain stupid, especially when their culture is stronger and more organised than our one right now.
Generally, I'm not against people who escape from their houses because they cannot stay in country any more. But recently I've watched a video (it fits well to the second subject "Muslims in Europe")
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP0XTvuRycY
My conclusion was simple. I don't want in my country people who're unable to assimilate. People so different from us. Maybe I could bear it if they were women and children. But if they trying to tell us how to live? How can we accept them?
On the other hand - government is selected by us, and it supposed to represent our needs. Is that right? So why are they blind on what people wants.
If I getting it wrong then I'm open for pointing out my mistakes in logic.
I agree with your conclusion Daniel and I want to expand it. In spite of all it's not important if I am for or against refugees, because it is happening now. And I can do nothing about it. They are coming and they will be.
ReplyDeleteWho is coming to the Europe? Mostly they are economical refugees. There are also special ISIS envoys. Is there is a prove that in that crowd there are ISIS soldiers? Yes, ISIS itself proudly say that among the immigrants it send their envoys and soldiers. In refugees centers in Germany and Austria they are being capture from time to time while spreading ISIS propaganda.
ISIS publicate recently a map on which it is shown how far it want to expand. Funny fact is that the borders of ISIS expansion ends on the former borders of Poland. Maybe it has something in common with anniversary of Battle of Vienna. Maybe they are scared of us. I don’t know. ISIS announce the plan of conquest of Europe, announce the plan of displaying their flag on the top of the Cathedral of St. Peter in Rome. ISIS objectives are known, they are not hiding with it.
As Daniel said it’s the world that doesn’t assimilate. Muslim world is divided on two parts: Dar al-Harb – world of war/home of war (where there is less Muslim than infidels) and Dar al-Islam – world of Islam (where Muslims are in majority). Infidels, for example “People of the Book” – Jews and Christians, can live under the reign of Muslim provided that they will pay tax (Dżizyah) and meet the requirements written down in Omar Law.
Do they are not offended by Christian crosses, figures of Holy Mary in churches? Yes, they are. But they can do nothing when they are in minority. When they are in majority thing like that starts. Bells should not ring, cross should not hang. Teacher in Sweden do not display Sweden flag because it offends the Muslim religious feelings. The Muslims asked the Swiss government to abolish the logo of the Swiss airline, because they have cross in the logo. In that or in the previous year in Germany Christmas fair change their name to Winter Fair because it offends the religious feelings. Near one of the German secondary school refugees center was open. People from that center wrote a letter to all parents whose female children was in that school to not let girls wear shorts because offends the religious feelings. Paranoia…
Is junker's plan the best solution for the EU? It gives just numbers. But we shall find the way in which a person, in this case immigrant, is not treated as a number! If they really setek for asylium, they should receive it, however, immigrants should respect the law, habbits and customs of the citizens in whose counrty they live in. Under no circumstances, they should be located in the seperated or remote places because it will not be helpfull for their assimilation process. As much as possible they should receive flats or houses in the city centres. But coming back to the question about the numbers, the EU should analyse which countries or regions are the most 'outgoing' for immigrants. And then assign the people to each of these places but without ANY NUMBERS. It should be the decision of each country.
ReplyDeleteI have very similar feelings to those imigrants as to muslims, which I already explained in other thread. I feel like we're slowly activating a ticking bomb that will explode in the least expected moment. Those people do not want to learn language, culture, assimilate or work hardly. We're basically organizing a big charity event for people, who are not even grateful for that. Most of these Immigrants do not even want to stay in Poland, rather run away to Germany, because they're given more money for doing nothing there.
ReplyDeletePathethic situation. I feel it won't end well, at least I'm happy that they focus on Germany or other France, because those will be first countries when that ticking bomb explodes, and it may open eyes for other politicians to freaking do something before it's too late.
In my opinion talking about Muslim immigration to Europe only in the context of Syria is wrong. Of course, according to official statistics the majority of immigrants come from war-torn Syria. However, many of them have false documents.
ReplyDelete"ISIS fighters and economic migrants are able to buy Syrian identity documents that allow them to hide among refugees travelling to Europe..." (more information about it you can read here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3235320/PASSPORT-TERROR-MailOnline-reporter-buys-Syrian-papers-sold-ISIS-fighters-sneaking-Europe-hidden-refugees.html ).
What I think about the Juncker's plan? I think that the European Union shouldn't decide on the distribution of Muslim immigrants. We shouldn't hold these people in concentration camps in Poland or other countries in which they don't want to stay.
ReplyDeleteTopic to the wide scale, but you have to talk about it openly, because unfortunately the Union and the Member States do not all agree matters immigrants. Some will be happy to welcome them, provide them with flat, will be it maintained, will receive a social package, others do not want them at all accept. Europe does not have one opinion on this topic. I think that the first person you should help people who need help that inhabit it, and only then take on each other to help immigrants. Not everyone can earn a fortune, immigrant on a good day to get from your enough money to support yourself without any effort!
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ReplyDeleteOnly 10-15 percent of immigrants are from Syria. Most of them threw their id cards away, otherwise they would not become refugee status.
ReplyDeleteThe other thing is that they come on boats from countries, that are not at war. The only reason is money, because countries like Turkey don’t give social assistance. They would have to search for a job and work hard.
Our politicians said that all immigrants that will be “imported” to Poland will be checked (with help from MOSAD) if they are not terrorists, but how can they be so sure? MOSAD a few days ago, before declaring this help said that they are unable to check all these people for 100 percent.
In Hungary two people were found among the refugees, that had connections with ISIS.
Source: http://www.polishexpress.co.uk/znaleziono-terrorystow-wsrod-uchodzcow-na-wegrzech/
Well, this is what I was talking about in the other thread: immigrants from Syria are escaping from their country because war and so on. Yes, I understand that, but why there are only males there ?
ReplyDeleteWhere are the children and women ? They don't matter ? They should be taken care of because there is a war going on in the country ! So immigrants are something like invading other countries without using weapons ?
The very bad thing going on is how divided European Union is, EU is forcing penalties to those countries that don't want to take immigrants. That is just pathetic and it sounds very bad. We are showing weaknesses. The purpose of the union is to unify some entities etc. now, we are showing to the rest of the world how bad we are organised.
Personally, I am against immigrants, so I think that Junker's plan is just bad, it's just an idea of how to distribute immigrants among EU, this is basically sweeping the problem under the carpet but it will fail because there will be more and more immigrants.
However I think that even if EU will force countries to accept immigrants, they will still make their way to Germany like they did already.
I like how varied this week's presentations are. The only thing we're still missing is a conspiracy theory telling us what is covered up by this 'crisis'.
ReplyDeleteThis comment has been removed by the author.
ReplyDeleteI think , that immigrants issue aroues many controversy . Unfortunelly , most of them abuse existingtragedy to get to wealthier countries and live on our social . That problem could be fixed , if goverment could better selecting immigrants for this , who really need help and others . The worst thing,is that people , who arrive to our contry , are not enough educated and don't have motivation to work so they only breake down our economy.
ReplyDeleteI think that imigrants don't want to assimilate with us, with Europe. They want new lands to live, but on their own rules without respect local principles. And some of them could be controversial for us.
ReplyDeleteAnd this bring a new question to my mind - should we step back and let them to do this?
Everyone in Europe try to be politically correct and don't want to even think that in some point in time this could bring very huge danger for us, for our culture.
Iimmigration will bring us a lot more trouble than it seems.
The topic of Muslim refugees and immigrants in Europe nowadays is really tough, on the one hand there are Syrian citizens trying to escape from the country which is currently in war, on the other side many people are afraid of economical immigrants. Considering refugees I fully agree to help them, and give them simply opportunity to survive, whereas massive groups of Muslims who purposely tries to get explicitly to Germany or GB, not thinking about any other countries makes me wonder what their intents are. We don’t hear much about any groups of Muslims coming to Poland, but if they come and will try to establish their rules, there are people like nationalists who I guess will help them leave our country really fast (what I do not support, but it is most likely how it would end).
ReplyDeleteSyrian immigrants is another hard topic for Europe and Poland. Personally I'm already fed up with all this discusions on TV or internet. There are many different opinions but mostly people especially in Poland disagrees with government decision. In my opinion ofcourse they need help and we should do what we can to make it easier for them but the one thing thats concerning me is what will hapen if they finally accomodate in Poland. Will they accept our rules and law and the whole confusion will die down or will there be more controversial situations. We shall see.
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