I don't say no to in vitro. If someone wants to use it, it his or her business. I’m not restricted about this in vitro. I think that if some people can't have children and if it is the only way to have them, you can try this method. If someone gave me a choice about gender of my child I definitely would not decide because it is not a SIMS game !!!
Personally I am strictly against “in vitro” method. In my opinion it is really immoral. Many people seem to forget, or simply don’t know how this method works. If a woman decides to have a child (as it was a civil right), about ten living embryos are created and placed in woman’s uterus. After a few days/weeks, the doctor performs the examination to see which embryo is the strongest and healthiest one. The rest is removed – that is simply a multiple abortion. The situation resembles the actions of Nazis – they were really interested in eugenics which is a “science” or rather an evil idea involving eliminating the weakest and unwanted ones from the “perfect” society.
Katarzyna, you forgot that it is not the only solution for couples without a child. There are many children waiting to be adopted.
I didn't forget about adoption but I was thinking about couples who have problem to get pregnant. Sometime people want to try have their own children. Adoption for them is the last resort.
All in all it is very complicated subject. I absolutely understand the idea of in vitro and the problem that have people who are infertile but want to have kids. I do not see anything bad in such way to try all possibilities. Similarly I absolutely understand that all future parents want everything what is the best for their offspring. But changing everything that is naturally set in our DNA and gens is crazy. There should be somewhere border that can not be crossed by anyone with no exception.
It is very good that researchers are trying to help finding cure for cancer and other diseases that are not acquired but innate. But giving people chance to change physical traits is absolutely not necessary, and even can be very dangerous.
Sadly it seems that it will be possible globally to change everything in the genetic code. And after plastic surgeries in my opinion it will be another very well prospering business. And it will cause a lot of unhappiness and tragedies that can cost someone’s life.
I share the view of Karolina. It is a horrible when you want to have children, but you can not have them naturally. It is a heavy topic. The Church condemn in vitro, so for people who believe in god is hard to make a decision.
Looking at it but on the other hand, there are many children waiting for adoption. It is an alternative to in vitro but it is not then our "blood".
I think that in-vitro should be available and maybe it would be in the future, but now it have strong opposition in church and in most well developed country church has big influence on people. I understand why they are against it, but still in-vitro is a great opportunity for people who can't have children. I know that they can adopt children, but most of couples want to have own children from their blood. Also by using it we can learn a lot about how we were created and thanks to that we can improve our medicine. To sum up In-vitro is one of most ethical problem in our times, it's cruel, but also it's a chance to improve our knowledge.
s9397, I'm really concerned about your comparison to Nazis and, by the way, I think you're completely wrong. I know I probably shouldn't start a discussion on abortion here, as it is a very sensitive subject, but I feel you're not using sufficient data.
First of all, you seem concerned about "removed embryos" and compare it to abortion. This is not true. The National Institutes of Health report that "around half of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant"! If you feel that every fertilized egg "dies", than I must upset you - it's a natural process concerning over 50% of them :) Not mentioning that embryos in their first few weeks are just a collection of cells - they don't develop any vital systems until much later.
And secondly, that comparison to the Nazis is wrong on so many levels... The doctors don't choose the "perfect" children - they simply choose the embryo with the greatest chance to develop into a healthy organism. Giving birth to a dead or greatly diseased child or miscarriage are a really traumatic and sad experience for women, which can cause trauma to the rest of their lives. The doctors simply ensure that they won't experience such a tragedy.
And, as to the article written by Paulina, I personally think it's a great chance for humanity - eliminating genetical diseases is a marvellous wonder that makes everyone's lives (including both parents and children) happier and easier.
As to choosing the children's sex or appearance - I do understand the concern about possible inequality in sexes in the future, but I don't see anything wrong in making children "better" (however I feel this word sounds really bad in the context). What's wrong in making your children naturally more intelligent, for example? It's only good for humanity and it's future development.
By the way, I feel that the technology needs more time to develop to a level when it'll be available to everyone. I hope that when the time comes, people would be more broad-minded than now.
In vitro, why not. If somebody couldn't have children it good idea and chance for them. But genetic modification shouldn't be accepted in that area. I know that it probably will solve problem of some human weakness but before that humanity should solve problem of hunger or homeless. It's more important than changing gender. If we do that we can order child in machine by choosing their parameters. Terrible but possible.
When it comes to in vitro, I think that its really helpfull and good for people that can not have a child and that would want to have one. And I think that only these kinds of people should have the vote in choosing the gender and in using in vitro.
So what do you think? That You picked a great topic for a discussion. Topic with no right and wrong... What do you think about in vitro? Never had one, so hard to say. Do you think everybody should be able to use it or should it be restricted only to the people who are reproductively challenged? Reproductively challended? I think it's late and I'm reading stuff wrong. Do you think people should be able to choose their child's gender? So if I say no, then what? If I say yes then what? Do you think that in the future people will be able to make such decisions? I think someone is really unhappy here... Would you like to choose your child's gender or what it would look like? What am I reading here? When You have to pick, You have to pick. There is no other choice. Like what, You'll leave it alone and then what. What You gonna name it?
To be honest. This is a realy weird subject for such a conversation. To have the ability to pick a gender would considerably reduce enjoyment of having a kid.
When I hear discussions about in vitro, I'm always thinking about children's rights. My feeling is that every child should have the right to have a knowledge about identity to biological parents. I'm sceptical about this.
Regarding our subject, choosing children's gender is sick. I'm against.
I totally can’t understand the controversy that this issue arouses. If technology is that much developed why couldn’t we make profits from it? It’s not like everyone HAS TO grab for these advantages, but it’s not fair to forbid to anyone a free choice. If it doesn’t suit to the morals of the individual, it doesn’t mean that it’s generally wrong. So in my view there are no bases to forbid it and as long as it doesn’t cause the damage to others, no-one has any rights to decide for others.
This topic is very controversial. Generally, in my opinion in-vitro should be available only for people that can not have a children in a natural way. However, I also have some doubts. I am confused when we talk about choosing the gender. It sounds like the choice of color or brand a new car.
Of course, another option is adoption, but people want to try have their own children from their blood.
Answering to the first question. I think in vitro is needed, especially where in highly developed society the childe rate is lower and lower, not only beacause of choice. So it's necessary to help hose kind of people who have problem with childe conception. With choosing child's gender.. ith this question I'm not sure. It's very difficult. But I think we should leave child characteristics as natural as we can. In the other hand it would be amazing if we could avoid genetic healt issues. It would also solved a lot of problems. The most important things should be life and healt of the child. Nothing else.
I really like Tomasz Gelo's comment - one of the smartest points of view, I think. I probably wouldn't choose my children gender as it really doesn't matter to me, but if someone else wants to do this - I wouldn't forbid them anything!
I don't say no to in vitro. If someone wants to use it, it his or her business. I’m not restricted about this in vitro. I think that if some people can't have children and if it is the only way to have them, you can try this method. If someone gave me a choice about gender of my child I definitely would not decide because it is not a SIMS game !!!
ReplyDeletePersonally I am strictly against “in vitro” method. In my opinion it is really immoral. Many people seem to forget, or simply don’t know how this method works. If a woman decides to have a child (as it was a civil right), about ten living embryos are created and placed in woman’s uterus. After a few days/weeks, the doctor performs the examination to see which embryo is the strongest and healthiest one. The rest is removed – that is simply a multiple abortion.
ReplyDeleteThe situation resembles the actions of Nazis – they were really interested in eugenics which is a “science” or rather an evil idea involving eliminating the weakest and unwanted ones from the “perfect” society.
Katarzyna, you forgot that it is not the only solution for couples without a child. There are many children waiting to be adopted.
I didn't forget about adoption but I was thinking about couples who have problem to get pregnant. Sometime people want to try have their own children. Adoption for them is the last resort.
ReplyDeleteAll in all it is very complicated subject. I absolutely understand the idea of in vitro and the problem that have people who are infertile but want to have kids. I do not see anything bad in such way to try all possibilities. Similarly I absolutely understand that all future parents want everything what is the best for their offspring. But changing everything that is naturally set in our DNA and gens is crazy. There should be somewhere border that can not be crossed by anyone with no exception.
ReplyDeleteIt is very good that researchers are trying to help finding cure for cancer and other diseases that are not acquired but innate. But giving people chance to change physical traits is absolutely not necessary, and even can be very dangerous.
Sadly it seems that it will be possible globally to change everything in the genetic code. And after plastic surgeries in my opinion it will be another very well prospering business. And it will cause a lot of unhappiness and tragedies that can cost someone’s life.
I share the view of Karolina. It is a horrible when you want to have children, but you can not have them naturally. It is a heavy topic. The Church condemn in vitro, so for people who believe in god is hard to make a decision.
ReplyDeleteLooking at it but on the other hand, there are many children waiting for adoption. It is an alternative to in vitro but it is not then our "blood".
I think that in-vitro should be available and maybe it would be in the future, but now it have strong opposition in church and in most well developed country church has big influence on people. I understand why they are against it, but still in-vitro is a great opportunity for people who can't have children. I know that they can adopt children, but most of couples want to have own children from their blood. Also by using it we can learn a lot about how we were created and thanks to that we can improve our medicine. To sum up In-vitro is one of most ethical problem in our times, it's cruel, but also it's a chance to improve our knowledge.
ReplyDeletes9397, I'm really concerned about your comparison to Nazis and, by the way, I think you're completely wrong. I know I probably shouldn't start a discussion on abortion here, as it is a very sensitive subject, but I feel you're not using sufficient data.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, you seem concerned about "removed embryos" and compare it to abortion. This is not true. The National Institutes of Health report that "around half of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant"! If you feel that every fertilized egg "dies", than I must upset you - it's a natural process concerning over 50% of them :) Not mentioning that embryos in their first few weeks are just a collection of cells - they don't develop any vital systems until much later.
And secondly, that comparison to the Nazis is wrong on so many levels... The doctors don't choose the "perfect" children - they simply choose the embryo with the greatest chance to develop into a healthy organism. Giving birth to a dead or greatly diseased child or miscarriage are a really traumatic and sad experience for women, which can cause trauma to the rest of their lives. The doctors simply ensure that they won't experience such a tragedy.
And, as to the article written by Paulina, I personally think it's a great chance for humanity - eliminating genetical diseases is a marvellous wonder that makes everyone's lives (including both parents and children) happier and easier.
As to choosing the children's sex or appearance - I do understand the concern about possible inequality in sexes in the future, but I don't see anything wrong in making children "better" (however I feel this word sounds really bad in the context). What's wrong in making your children naturally more intelligent, for example? It's only good for humanity and it's future development.
By the way, I feel that the technology needs more time to develop to a level when it'll be available to everyone. I hope that when the time comes, people would be more broad-minded than now.
In vitro, why not. If somebody couldn't have children it good idea and chance for them. But genetic modification shouldn't be accepted in that area.
ReplyDeleteI know that it probably will solve problem of some human weakness but before that humanity should solve problem of hunger or homeless. It's more important than changing gender.
If we do that we can order child in machine by choosing their parameters. Terrible but possible.
When it comes to in vitro, I think that its really helpfull and good for people that can not have a child and that would want to have one. And I think that only these kinds of people should have the vote in choosing the gender and in using in vitro.
ReplyDeleteSo what do you think?
ReplyDeleteThat You picked a great topic for a discussion. Topic with no right and wrong...
What do you think about in vitro?
Never had one, so hard to say.
Do you think everybody should be able to use it or should it be restricted only to the people who are reproductively challenged?
Reproductively challended? I think it's late and I'm reading stuff wrong.
Do you think people should be able to choose their child's gender?
So if I say no, then what? If I say yes then what?
Do you think that in the future people will be able to make such decisions?
I think someone is really unhappy here...
Would you like to choose your child's gender or what it would look like?
What am I reading here? When You have to pick, You have to pick. There is no other choice. Like what, You'll leave it alone and then what. What You gonna name it?
To be honest. This is a realy weird subject for such a conversation. To have the ability to pick a gender would considerably reduce enjoyment of having a kid.
When I hear discussions about in vitro, I'm always thinking about children's rights. My feeling is that every child should have the right to have a knowledge about identity to biological parents. I'm sceptical about this.
ReplyDeleteRegarding our subject, choosing children's gender is sick. I'm against.
I totally can’t understand the controversy that this issue arouses. If technology is that much developed why couldn’t we make profits from it? It’s not like everyone HAS TO grab for these advantages, but it’s not fair to forbid to anyone a free choice. If it doesn’t suit to the morals of the individual, it doesn’t mean that it’s generally wrong. So in my view there are no bases to forbid it and as long as it doesn’t cause the damage to others, no-one has any rights to decide for others.
ReplyDeleteThis topic is very controversial. Generally, in my opinion in-vitro should be available only for people that can not have a children in a natural way. However, I also have some doubts. I am confused when we talk about choosing the gender. It sounds like the choice of color or brand a new car.
ReplyDeleteOf course, another option is adoption, but people want to try have their own children from their blood.
Answering to the first question. I think in vitro is needed, especially where in highly developed society the childe rate is lower and lower, not only beacause of choice. So it's necessary to help hose kind of people who have problem with childe conception.
ReplyDeleteWith choosing child's gender.. ith this question I'm not sure. It's very difficult. But I think we should leave child characteristics as natural as we can.
In the other hand it would be amazing if we could avoid genetic healt issues. It would also solved a lot of problems.
The most important things should be life and healt of the child. Nothing else.
I really like Tomasz Gelo's comment - one of the smartest points of view, I think. I probably wouldn't choose my children gender as it really doesn't matter to me, but if someone else wants to do this - I wouldn't forbid them anything!
ReplyDelete